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Gentile Dottor Perini,
Non posso che plaudire alla sua iniziativa.
Come fare a scegliere il migliore tra i tre, per me che ha avuto la fortuna di collaborare con tutti e tre:
Gandini: (Stratos e Sibilo)
Giugiaro: (Bugatti EB 112)
Fioravanti:(Lancia Gamma Montecarlo (mai prodotta)
Vari modelli Ferrari e tra tutti la F 40.
Come si fa a ascegliere?
Cordiali saluti
Nicola Materazzi

Che piacere sentirla! In effetti c’è stato un problema (stiamo mettendo i primi denti) ma ora dovrebbe funzionare.
Provi alla prima occasione. Ci racconta qualcosa in più sulla Gamma Montecarlo mai prodotta? Difficile per noi capire perché lei preferisca proprio quella. Se ha una foto, penso che ora la si possa vedere. A presto

Dear Mr. Perini,
of course all three designers are GREAT! Very difficult to compare theirs styles because all of them have own style. I gues vote result will depended by quantity of the produced cars and personal simpathy.
bad thing is that Mr. Fioravanti was in shadow of Pininfarina and world did not knew him as GIUGIARO or GANDINI notwithstanding his famous and beautyfull made cars.
My favorite cars
GIUGIARO MASERATI Merak, LAMBORGHINI Miura

GANDINI STRATOS and COUNTACH

FIORAVANTI FERRARI 365, LANCIA GAMMA MONTECARLO.

Sincerely your
Zviad Tsikolia

Interesting to see that you positively credit the Miura to Giugiaro. You might be right but are you really positive? If you have facts to confirm your statement please share them with our community.

Miura has a transverse engine. Old Giugiaro blueprints do not–these seem to more closely resemble a midship proposal for Iso Rivolta.

Lancia BETA Montecarlo=Paolo Martin.

Launching a “de facto” investigation on the origin of the Miura Design. It seems to me that the Miura has design elements of both Giugiaro and Gandini. This would explain why it is the most exotic and beautiful car ever designed and built. We shall undisputed evidence tell the story.

It is positive and undisputed Paolo Martin is to be credited for the Lancia Beta Montecarlo. The excellent Nicola Materazzi (the father of the Ferrari F40, among other supercars)says that Fioravanti designed a Lancia Gamma Montecarlo that was never produced.

Perhaps Ing. Materazzi could kindly disclose to us some hitherto-unknown stories or images of the Sibilo ( one of my favourite Gandini designs)? The ‘look’ of Stratos (and here not meaning Stratos 0) changed slightly during development. Was it the same for Sibilo? (I can understand a little Italian, but not everything.)
There are quite a few stillborn P. Martin projects pictured on this also-talented designer’s personal website.

I have a comprehensive photo coverage of the Sibilo on color slides. One day will turn them into digital and publich a complete story, if there is enough people interested into it. Hope Materazzi will contribute to the story.
Paolo Martin is a very talented designer and model maker. He certainly deserves more recognition. One day I will focus on him.

Dear Mr. Perini
as I know Miura was started by Giugiaro but finished by Gandini because Giugaro left Bertone. So If we compare other Giugaro’s and Gandini’s works such as MANGUSTA, BORA, MERAK, COUNTACH and STRATOS easy to understand whos design is Miura.
I gues for you Mr. Perini is very easy to get true story.

With the debate still going on some 40 years later, and both designers failing to fully agree on “who did what” we have to show and tell what is the closest to the truth. As for Giugiaro I would rather look at the wave-like belt line of the Canguro (and few other ones), whereas for Gandini “after the Miura” I would consider the Carabo in the first place and subsequently the Stratos.
Ciao

after this discussion I was looking some pictures of Miura and I agree that Miura has two father. This car combines both designers character lines.
with kind regards

Dear Mr. Perini

Thanks for the marvellous initiative of this blog, to which I am new. I am a great Marcello Gandini enthusiast; I think there are some designs by Gandini which are very forgotten, being his best or not. I am thinking about the Iso Rivolta Grifo 96, the de Tomaso Pantera 2000, or even a full trio of “new” de Tomasos he designed and built as scale mock ups for Alejandro de Tomaso around 2002, all of which have somehow surface to the light of day, but to little spreading, sadly. I am crossing my fingers one day we can get to know how his Lamborghini L30 and L147 -Murciélago proposal- looked, as well as other unknown design and proposals by him. I am also eager for some famous journalist to make a book upon Gandini. It is incredible no single title has being published on him up to date!

thank you very much, once again. d.

You seem to know a lot about Gandini and Lamborghini. I agree with you about a book on Gandini. I will suggest your idea to some publisher, providing Mr. Gandini is willing to co-operate.

Gent. mo. Signore Perini

Immense thanks for your comments and believing my Gandini-book idea could be interesting. Since I can recall, I have always followed you through articles, snippets, etc, you made for a whole plethora of magazines, from Italian ones to Japanese best Car Styling, so that for me it is a real hounour to communicate with you finally. Again,thank you.

I have done my best to date, yet without any success, to guess how those Gandini L30 and L147 proposals looked; it is such a wonderful dream to chase, I believe, for, after all, those should have been the most rightful heirs of the Miura-Countach-Diablo provenance-line. I learnt about his Acosta-SuperDiablo -another missing piece, now proud part of the Museo- long years ago, instead, for during my second visit to the factory, I was honoured of looking at it when it was stored at Lamborghini’s basements. I was astonished, I had found before my eyes the natural scale thing of what I have found years back only as a silver 1:5 scale car in a picture belonging to a Japanese magazine special about Lamborghini into which an interview with Gandini, made at his house, was included. I never thought such Acosta 1:1 could exist; I always thought before it was only Zagato’s SuperDiablo the one to be built in 1:1, given it was the chosen one. Since I wonder if Gandini’s L30, the hypercar from Sant’Agata which should have challenged the EB110 and McLaren F1, was ever built in any scale.

This is particularly for Mr. Rodriguez, with whose sentiments and interests I am in complete agreement. He should try to acquire a French book called 50 Ans de Petites et Secretes Renault, by Roger Guyot. No supercars, but there are several other little-known projects by Gandini included therein. I have also read that restored Lambo P140 by Gandini will be exhibited in California imminently (am personally still seeking further data on the competing proposal by Marc Deschamps/Bertone).

Hola Scorpione!

Thanks very much for the info. I do not have that book, but I’ll struggle to find a copy, of course! Send me an email address or contact me anyhow, so that I can send you something about what you are looking for I may be having somewhere…

ciao, and regards, d.

Scorpione has provided his private e-mail and you are being advise by e-mail. Ciao.

grazie! Still I have not had his email address -Scorpione’s-. I hope you forward me soon.

Scorpione; I think I’ve found the book you told me about at Amazon.fr, and I have ordered it. Thanks!

David, I’ve just written you. (Many thanks to Sig. Perini for his assistance.)

I think a comment on Fioravanti might now be in order. Recently, some other sites have posted ’spy’ photos of a Ferrari F430 with special bodywork by this designer.
Many individuals have posted negative comments about this project, but I do not agree.
Perhaps this Blog will be first to present clear, more official images of the car…?
Appears to have been built for a private customer.

Have seen some of those spy pictures and cannot comment on the car design. Could simply comment on the pictures, which is useless. Will try to get access to the car as soon as possible for photo shooting and design report. It is up to Ferrari and/or the new car owner.

I agree with Scorpione on the ‘new’ Fioravanti F430. In my opinion, and despite the poor photos we’ve seen, the looks of the F430 really improve with the new parts. Yet, I must confess that I have never liked a Ferrari design since the F40. Incredibly though, I like their late -Okuyama onwards- Ferrari/Maserati design sketches; yet, I feel they at Pininfarina completely fail to turn them into reality.

Signore Perini; may you know if did it ever exist a proposal from Bertone for the P132-Diablo programm? Grazie.

Gent.mo Signore Perini,
Sto organizando per l’ano prossimo il raduno Alfa Romeo Montreal d’Europa, a Estoril, tra il 3 e il 6 Settembre.
Tutti gli anni circa 40 Montreal partecipano a questi raduni e per la nostra edizione abbiamo pensato di contattare il Sig. Marcello Gandini per invitarlo a venire da noi.
Me rivolgo a Lei per chiederle se sarebbe possibile metterci in contatto col Signore Gandini.
Saró a Torino tra il 22 e il 26 Novembre di quest’anno e mi piaccerebbe moltisismo avere la occasione di fare l’invito personalmente al Sig. Gandindi.
Grazie e saluti cordiali da Lisbona.
Francisco Villa-Lobos

I have the problem too of getting to a blog and finding that I figure the conversation is already over hours ago. That’s the downside of putting the hour stamp on your comments by the way.

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